As you may know from my other thread (the one that Fred's trying to kill 
), I'm playing Pandora again. There's something that's always bothered me about Pandora and virtually all other adventure games: the use of illogical, absurd things you need to do to solve the game.
For example: Early in Pandora, Tex gets the case, starts asking people for clues, and so on. Then, unexpectedly, you need to go down into the sewer to gather some things. Do we really think Tex said to himself "Hmmm, maybe there's some nifty clues or something useful in this sewer."
Well, that makes perfect sense. I guess the sewer is a common hangout for all the denizens of Chandler Avenue. Maybe Malloy is hiding there? Wow, what incisive detective work that is! 
Maybe I'm being picky. I suppose we need to suspend disbelief and realize that this is a game and there's no telling what we need to do, where we need to go, what we need to find, who we need to talk to, what we need to talk to them about, and so on.
Does this bother anyone else?
), I'm playing Pandora again. There's something that's always bothered me about Pandora and virtually all other adventure games: the use of illogical, absurd things you need to do to solve the game.For example: Early in Pandora, Tex gets the case, starts asking people for clues, and so on. Then, unexpectedly, you need to go down into the sewer to gather some things. Do we really think Tex said to himself "Hmmm, maybe there's some nifty clues or something useful in this sewer."
Well, that makes perfect sense. I guess the sewer is a common hangout for all the denizens of Chandler Avenue. Maybe Malloy is hiding there? Wow, what incisive detective work that is! Maybe I'm being picky. I suppose we need to suspend disbelief and realize that this is a game and there's no telling what we need to do, where we need to go, what we need to find, who we need to talk to, what we need to talk to them about, and so on.
Does this bother anyone else?
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I think in the natural progression of PD, the sewer was meant to be discovered while searching for BAK's bomb, which then leads to Tex finding that drug dealer's money pouch, etc..
In a way, it's a lot like Rusty's Funhouse. What need did Tex have of going in there until he hears of the back door in the wall & sees BAK on the roof? None, if memory serves. So there's a definite need for linearity in a couple non-linear parts of PD.
A loyal Tex Murphy fan,
Hammerhead
In a way, it's a lot like Rusty's Funhouse. What need did Tex have of going in there until he hears of the back door in the wall & sees BAK on the roof? None, if memory serves. So there's a definite need for linearity in a couple non-linear parts of PD.
A loyal Tex Murphy fan,
Hammerhead
I couldn't have said it better Hammerhead. There were a lot of places that you could visit early in the game, that didn't make sense until later when you actually had reason to be there. There were still a few illogical pieces of the puzzle for me though, and they were big as far as I'm concerned.
Number one, who in the world keeps a torn up picture of where they work in their jacket pocket? Anyone here? Apparently Dag Horton does. I think I'm going to take a photo of my McDonalds, tear it up, and put it in my jacket pocket.
Also there were a few parts in the game where I made connections that should have been obvious to Tex, but weren't. I can't think of any particular instances right off the top of my head, but I'm sure there were more than a few times Tex would ask questions aloud to which "he" should already know the answer to from the detective work being done.
Also, at the end of the game. If you have the exact coordinates of the ship... and you've got a big mayan maze right in front of it ... why not go around?!?
Number one, who in the world keeps a torn up picture of where they work in their jacket pocket? Anyone here? Apparently Dag Horton does. I think I'm going to take a photo of my McDonalds, tear it up, and put it in my jacket pocket.
Also there were a few parts in the game where I made connections that should have been obvious to Tex, but weren't. I can't think of any particular instances right off the top of my head, but I'm sure there were more than a few times Tex would ask questions aloud to which "he" should already know the answer to from the detective work being done.
Also, at the end of the game. If you have the exact coordinates of the ship... and you've got a big mayan maze right in front of it ... why not go around?!?
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At the end of Return of the King Gandalf rides an eagle to rescue Sam and Frodo. Why didn't they just fly over the volcano with the eagles in the first place with the ring and drop it in - d'oh!
Bests, Rockefeller
Bests, Rockefeller
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In both cases, I would assume it was done for a more dramatic effect. In the case of the ring, it's all a matter of elevation, trajectory &, most definitely, wind speed. If a sniper's bullet can be blown off-target by high wind, you can bet a ring with a slower descent won't land right where you need it to.
Hammerhead
Hammerhead
uhhhhhhh, because of all the bizillion orcs and sauron? they had to do it 'stealth'rockefeller wrote:At the end of Return of the King Gandalf rides an eagle to rescue Sam and Frodo. Why didn't they just fly over the volcano with the eagles in the first place with the ring and drop it in - d'oh!
Bests, Rockefeller
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"My religion is the one in which Haydn is pope" - by me.
"Set a course, take it slow, make it happen."
In that case I'm sure a brave eagle would sacrifice itself in the name of middle earth and dive into the firey pit, ring in claw, in order to guarantee its total and utter annihilation...after all, what's the life of one dumb bird in the grand scope of thingsHammerhead wrote:In both cases, I would assume it was done for a more dramatic effect. In the case of the ring, it's all a matter of elevation, trajectory &, most definitely, wind speed. If a sniper's bullet can be blown off-target by high wind, you can bet a ring with a slower descent won't land right where you need it to.
Hammerhead
Bests, Rockefeller
"Twenty years from now, you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do"
"ERROR: Error Code Does Not Indicate An Error"
"ERROR: Error Code Does Not Indicate An Error"
I think I remember Elija Witt saying that he knew a pilot that could fly them down there. Maybe the closest clearing that was suitable for landing was opposite the temple. Also, maybe he wasn't aware of the temple until he came upon it. The jungle was very thick. Tex even made a comment that the jungle was so thick, it was probably better to go through the temple than around it.Also, at the end of the game. If you have the exact coordinates of the ship... and you've got a big mayan maze right in front of it ... why not go around?!?
That could all explain why he landed where he did and why he didn't venture around the temple or land on the other side of it.
However, it doesn't explain why he would need a pilot to get him there. Why not just take his speeder? Maybe speeder-craft are not permitted to fly over the jungle. But that doesn't matter. For all we know, he did take his speeder, and he simply landed at the closest clearing he could find.
Au contraire! If the eagle didn't make it all the way to the volcano, which was quite likely given the seven airborne steeds of the ringwraiths, the ring would be delivered directly into the hands of the Dark Lord. This eventuality is precisely what they wanted to prevent by destroying the ring.rockefeller wrote:In that case I'm sure a brave eagle would sacrifice itself in the name of middle earth and dive into the firey pit, ring in claw, in order to guarantee its total and utter annihilation...after all, what's the life of one dumb bird in the grand scope of things
Bests, Rockefeller
Sheesh. Wise guys. Don't mess with Tolkien.
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As for Pandora, of course the biggest hole, in explanation if not plot, was how Regan beat Tex to the bottom of the temple. Tex had to gather things from all different places throughout the maze to get there. It's possible Regan found a simpler way that closed up after it swallowed her, but it would be nice to know for sure.
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*Revitalizing Old San Francisco's Chandler Avenue District With Style*
(also known as Steve Douglas, but usually by people less awesome than UTMers)
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Hey now, she was pretty desperate and headstrong. I'm sure that did the trick. Anyone who refuses to sit in their room like a delicate flower and refuses to let anyone else make their decisions for them can accomplish pretty much anything.Jerry Dan wrote:As for Pandora, of course the biggest hole, in explanation if not plot, was how Regan beat Tex to the bottom of the temple. Tex had to gather things from all different places throughout the maze to get there. It's possible Regan found a simpler way that closed up after it swallowed her, but it would be nice to know for sure.
Ok, seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if Cross had something to do with that. The two were working together afterall.
